Oxygen Basic

Information => Open Forum => Topic started by: JRS on November 22, 2010, 08:30:08 PM

Title: O2h Linux
Post by: JRS on November 22, 2010, 08:30:08 PM
Charles,

Even though I have moved my desktop to Linux, I'm still following along with your progress with the compiler under Linux/Wine. So far I have been able to run all the examples you provide.

John


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Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: Charles Pegge on November 24, 2010, 09:44:00 PM

I'm glad Wine makes life so easy, but it sorely tempts me to avoid producing a native Linux version of Oxygen :)

Charles
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: JRS on November 24, 2010, 10:57:25 PM
Running under Wine proves you follow the rules.

O2h will never shine as it should if it doesn't run native.

Windows is like an onion with all the layers you have to deal with. Does having faster processors justify the bloat?
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: kryton9 on January 24, 2011, 05:18:41 PM
This week I decided to move all my programming development to a linux based system (ubuntu 10.10).
I hope to also use the same machine to host a web site from my home.

Is wine the only way we can run oxygen on linux at the moment? 
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: JRS on January 24, 2011, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: kryton9 on January 24, 2011, 05:18:41 PM
This week I decided to move all my programming development to a linux based system (ubuntu 10.10).
I hope to also use the same machine to host a web site from my home.

Is wine the only way we can run oxygen on linux at the moment? 

Wise move. I have been on Ubuntu 10.10 for over 3 months as my primary desktop and I don't miss Windows one bit. Wine is a great way to bring your favorite Windows apps/tools with you. I recently was able to get VB6 running under Wine and O2h runs (99.7% so far) all of the demos presented here. The only issue I ran into was the dual window OpenGL demo and resizing the parent window. Charles sent me a special version with only one OpenGL window in use and it resized fine. Charles reported the bug to Wine so maybe it will be address even though not something you would see in day to day life.
 

Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: kryton9 on January 25, 2011, 12:49:33 PM
Thanks for the positive reinforcement, experience and tips.
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: Charles Pegge on January 25, 2011, 03:18:48 PM

I've just created an Ubuntu 10.10 memory stick. Is there anything I need to know before trying to install Ubuntu alongside Vista? :)

Charles
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: JRS on January 25, 2011, 03:25:48 PM
Install Ubuntu so it boots off your memory stick and not as a file on Windows. I lost my complete Linux setup with an update using this non-standard/unsupport method of installing Ubuntu. I have two partitions on my hard disk. One is XP and the other Ubuntu and grub allows me to chose which OS to boot when I start my system up. My old laptop bios doesn't support booting from a USB memory stick so I didn't have a lot of options. Install Wine 1.3 to run O2h.

Other than that, it should be a fun ride.

Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: Charles Pegge on January 26, 2011, 02:18:34 AM

Well my PC does support booting from USB. Nevertheless I got Linux Boot errors when I tried booting from the memory stick. so I put the iso file onto CD (using Nero) and that booted and installed nicely without a hitch. The only apparent imperfection is that Vista shows up on the Grub Boot menu as Windows Vista "Recovery mode" which seems to be erroneous since it runs normally.

Charles

PS I chose the "recommended" 32 bit Ubuntu even though my PC is 64 bit - I could switch later.
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: jcfuller on January 26, 2011, 03:49:06 AM
Charles,
  Are you going to develop a linux version or is this just to test using Wine?

James
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: Charles Pegge on January 26, 2011, 09:10:50 AM

James,

Both I hope. I have not looked at Linux for a few years now. There is much to learn but I hope to start working on native Linux later in the year.

Charles
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: efgee on January 26, 2011, 09:23:57 AM
Quote from: Charles Pegge on January 26, 2011, 02:18:34 AM
... The only apparent imperfection is that Vista shows up on the Grub Boot menu as Windows Vista "Recovery mode" which seems to be erroneous since it runs normally.

Windows "normally" has 2 partitions: one for boot, one for recovery.
Apparently in your case GRUB recognizes only one, and thinks its the recovery partition.
If its not the recovery partition but the normal Windows Boot partition then its a GRUB error; which would not surprise me.

IMHO GRUB (with that I mean GRUB2) is one of the worst Linux loaders out there.
The old GRUB series was easier to configure (manually, adding stuff...).

bye
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: JRS on January 26, 2011, 09:38:43 AM
Anytime one OS controls the activity of another, its like being in uncharted territory.
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: Charles Pegge on January 26, 2011, 12:12:37 PM

I woild like to be able to edit the Grub Boot menu so that Vista is the default startup, and also correct the labelling of the partitions. Is there any way of doing this?

Charles
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: JRS on January 26, 2011, 12:43:11 PM
This might help.

grub

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS

grub2

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275

Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: kryton9 on January 26, 2011, 01:44:58 PM
I have been on a frenzy of trying different linux distros. I started with ubuntu 10.10. Then my friend said I should try the netbook version, since I am using my eeepc 701.
The 701 or in my case the 4g version is:
7" screen
512 mb ram
4gb solid state drive
windows xp

Windows XP ran great on it.
Anyways, the netbook version ran slow on it.
I then tried xubunu and then lubuntu.
lubuntu runs the quickest of the bunch, but still not as nice as my windows xp.

I am going to try damn small linux next and see how that feels on there.

And as a last step, I am thinking of reinstalling xp back on and running linux programming in one virtual machine
and the server on another virtual machine and see if that all works.

Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: jcfuller on January 26, 2011, 02:04:04 PM
I've heard good reports about Puppy: http://puppylinux.com/
I have it runnnig on an old sony laptop duron processor, 128meg ram, 9gig HD.
I have not used it very much so I can't report on it's merits other than it seems faster than any other distro I've tried on this particular machine..

James
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: Charles Pegge on January 27, 2011, 01:07:31 AM

Thanks for the Grub links John. I will leave it well alone until I am feeling more adventurous. I can't afford any down-time if it goes wrong.

I wonder why it is called Grub. Is this a lack of self-esteem amongst the developers? :)

Charles
Title: Re: O2h Linux
Post by: JRS on January 27, 2011, 04:12:12 AM
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I wonder why it is called Grub.

GNU GRUB (or just GRUB) is a boot loader package that supports multiple operating systems on a computer. During boot-up, the user can select the operating system to run. GNU GRUB is based on an earlier multiboot package, GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader). GRUB is most often used on Unix-like systems, including GNU, Linux and Solaris.

Some features of GRUB: