a not-so perfect programmer

[pber]

All developers look for the perfect language

script-basic is fast,
is reliable (at least from the static point of view, since it does not curries tons of examples)
has a clean and well-doc C source,
an exaustive documentation of APIs,
but I do not know much of it: it's very attractive.

Freestyle BASIC Scripting Language is super-fast (obviously),
is lavish, it's not attractive it seduces me!,
documentation is sumptuous, almost annoying for the quantity of examples,
it seems to me the state of the art of documentation,
but I do not know much of it: it's very attractive.

CBasic is still in my todo-list

FreeBasic was the tool I programmed to spend my life in next decades,
and I'm happy to NOT throw it away, since it compiles o2.

Oxygen ...
as Cioran said: "I have no organs for o2".
It subverts my mind.

Hi to all.
Hi Laurel
Hi Peter
Hi Mike: a lot of force is in you
Hi Charles, thanks for the wellcoming and for releasing o2
Hi Roland

Those was the guys I read about in the last 52 hours.
Hi to all,
to the big, wired, anonymous, amazing planet hearth,
the planet that I knew as analogyc and slowly migrated to digital.

But I'm not a developer,

I know Emacs, C, C++, Smalltalk, Python, EmacsLisp
VisualBasic 3, 4, 5, 6, VBA
QuickBasic, Clipper, VIC20's basic
6502's op-codes
I recently studied Forth
But I'm not a developer.
Once upon a time I believed I was a talented programmer.
I was wrong.
So I tried with UML, RationalRose, UMLStudio, CodeWorker,
generation of source code, refactoring...
It's pointless: if you are not talented, no tool can compensate your lacks.

it's very interesting to reading you posts
cheers

[Mike Lobanovsky]

Hi Paolo,

It's always nice to see new faces. We're here to share experience and ideas and also to give each other a helping hand whenever we can. It really doesn't matter if you are a developer or not - sheer presence of such an experienced programmer as you is bound to give a boost to the project.

Feel free to post your thoughts and opinions and thanks a lot for your kind words about OxygenBasic and FBSL.

[pber]

Thanks mike,
3 years ago I started the way of self-consciouness.
Not only your posts: your avatar too, inspires me a lot :-)

How to spend the experience... interesting thread.
Reading Paul Graham conviced me that I was lately right:
top/down is good and right ONLY if most of the work come bottom/up.
And if you can drop out top/down... even better.

Anyway my troubles was the inability to communicate with peoples.
Maybe still not too late to start learning...

[Charles Pegge]

Hi Paolo,

Welcome again to our forum.

Bottom-up, definitely! That is how nature does it. You can't do good top-down without real insight into the elements you are working with.

[pber]

Good morning Charles,

You're right about Nature.
Maybe only God did it top/down, and probably pacthing with pearl.

Have a nice day.

[JRS]

Bottom-up, definitely! That is how nature does it. You can't do good top-down without real insight into the elements you are working with.

Or cheat and #lookahead. 

I agree, get all the definition stuff done first and your main code should reside at the bottom.

[Aurel]

hi...

As we all know   
- first is centripetal force which create implosion
- then when inplosion reach critical mass
- then we have explosion


hi...

[pber]

Or cheat and #lookahead. 

I tried so frequently until I got the anti-pattern: do-not-promise.
Now I'm in do-not-promise-at-all mode.
In fact I program simply nothing.

...but Oxygen is too attractive.

hi John

[pber]

Hi Aurel

pretty sure you was there around when all happened.

nice day Aurel

[Kuron]

Welcome, Paolo!

[pber]

hi kuron,
thanks