Oxygen Basic
Programming => Problems & Solutions => Topic started by: Mike Lobanovsky on April 26, 2018, 03:51:35 PM
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C'mon Chris, that's becoming downright ridiculous!
Is searching at least through the list of example scripts in your OxygenBasic installation all on your own also "beyond your ability"?
On many BASIC forums, exactly what you're doing here leads to a first-time warning, and then, to a ban, regardless of your level of competence as a programmer. Consider this message of mine as the first time warning.
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Thanks Mike for saying something. We're an open souce project with overly kind members offering peer support. I don't think Chris is acting like a peer and wants us to write his code for him.
Before I offer anymore support, I would like a link to his employer's web site showing the existing PB app they're selling. I have reviewed Chris's posts which makes me believe he is trying to write 64 bit malware to get around detection.
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hello all
sorry for these inconvieniences, i'm very new to the programming world, and that i need to learn fast too
as i'm just asking for help. you must at least give some allowance for a beginner like myself.
i'm not sure how to search all the scrips as i'm only using window explorer which can only search for filenames.
also i do not know how to search the contents of each file, so can you please tell me what software that i can
use to search for file contents. for example searching for SaveFiledialog amongst the o2bas files and inc files.
you see i have already done searching the oxygen_help.chm and as well as the top right search button of this
webpage. and bcos i couldn't find any more references on this topic, so this was my last resort.
@john, being a beginner programmer i'm definitely not your peer or peer to any one here. so in terms of contribution
you can see that i have contributed at least 2 programs for the forum , which i believe are quite important too:
Random strings and numbers generator
http://www.oxygenbasic.org/forum/index.php?topic=1663.msg18021;topicseen#msg18021 (http://www.oxygenbasic.org/forum/index.php?topic=1663.msg18021;topicseen#msg18021)
Program to set the date and time of a file
http://www.oxygenbasic.org/forum/index.php?topic=1651.0 (http://www.oxygenbasic.org/forum/index.php?topic=1651.0)
so if you allow me to be around, then you will have more programs to be contributed by myself as i'm translating
my company's million lines of PB programs to o2 , i would say that i will be a very good contributor.
as you see, O2 forum lacks important programs like encryption, decryption , FTP upload and download, editable listviews
which i'm in the process of translating to O2 .
if you ban me then i would join other blogs and gave up on O2, it would mean that O2 forum is not beginner friendly.
in fact i have contacted many PB members to join this forum, banning me would only signal some ugly response to
these prospective members. in fact several new O2 members were encourage by me to join here.
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Chris,
Are you saying you don't have the time or skill to open an O2 text example in an editor? Why didn't you post the link I asked for? The BS from you is getting so deep, I may need to put my boots on.
BTW, where are you from?
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@John
i'm only a beginner and still learning the ropes of programming, by acusing me a malware writer then
you are wrong. i could hardly write any programs how could i possibly able to write malware?
i'm still learning to program after some experience as a part time vb6 programmer , i'm no match to you
or to any other members in this forum who have had decades of programming experience. i used to be a computer
support tech and i don't have a college degree unlike your self.
my new boss saw that i was a hardworking person and that's why he offer me this new job as a junior
programmer. he wants someone to search for a viable replacement of PB with 64bit native computing,
and to translate them PB to these languages as needed.
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Are you unable to read as well?
Post the link to the 1 million line PB version and where you are from.
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I would like Chris to continue what he is doing, please.
I may be able to provide better search facilities for scanning the o2 examples. There are over 1000 of them. I don't think Chris is involved in any nefarious enterprise.
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Thanxx a lot Charles
i do not mean to offend any one here, humbly i'm only a beginner at programming.
please give me due allowance for this. my sincere thanks and appreciation to everyone
here.
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Chris,
My final advice is to upgrade your OS to something supported if you plan on doing work for people.
After April 11, 2017, Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Vista operating system. After this date, this product will no longer receive updates.
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I would like Chris to continue what he is doing, please.
Thank you Charles. I was sure that this is your attitude. Chris does not do anything else than learning about Oxygenbasic and its possibilities and how this can be compared with another language. This is the same what I was and am still doing. I wished there would be some more members in the forum who ask about some problem or share their experience. If there always exists a satisfying answer, is another question. But to suppress questions which are related to Oxygenbasic would be very counterproductive.
Roland
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Well, I agree with Charles to allowing Chris to continue with asking beginner's questions.
Chris has done a good job by asking questions relating to the conversion from Powerbasic to
Oxygenbasic as we are learning them too. He is needed here to help build Oxygenbasic to
newer heights, by testing routines and functions as well as providing source codes.
Chris helps in easing the transition of Powerbasic programmers to Oxygenbasic, as many of
these programmers are afraid to ask. Note that it is never wrong to ask questions, and if
you don't have the answer or if you do not wish to help, it would be best that you keep quiet.
Yet there are those who do not like his attitude as it only implies of ulterior motives such as
building up their own Powerbasic to Oxygenbasic conversion tools and commercializing them.
To these members, your actions only speak volumes of your greed.
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Yet there are those who do not like his attitude as it only implies of ulterior motives such as
building up their own Powerbasic to Oxygenbasic conversion tools and commercializing them.
To these members, your actions only speak volumes of your greed.
The fact is Mike and I have managed forums for years and you always run into the clown that thinks he can outsource his work to forum members and take the credit with his employer. Chris is being lazy and finds the kindness offered here as a group of suckers. What kind of company would hire a beginner programmer to convert a million line application from 32 bit to 64 bit when the programmer has no knowledge of either language or the environment? I have better ways to invest my time.
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Charles, of course if you want to have Chris stay, he will stay no matter what. That's because we are guests while you are the host. But I do not like seeing those copy-pasted yells for help day after day in my newsfeed with the keyword/API name being the only variable in the text. They don't quite qualify as being sent by a grown up man who claims to be studying OxygenBasic for a living. And from my perspective, my first warning stays as formulated earlier.
Chris, if you keep on ignoring my clear hints to change you behavior, I am going to assume that the only boss you're reporting your OxygenBasic progress to is your Mom. If this is the case, than you'd better identify yourself as such and then I will probably lift my warning and become more tolerant to your naughty postings.
Anthon, Sir,
There are at least four language developers here who have devoted decades of their time and effort to developing, with various degrees of success, several BASIC dialects that other people are coming to study. Until proven otherwise, I am going to assume you fall into that (quantitatively, not qualitatively!) second category of forumers.
We also have here quite a bit of cumulative experience in running, administrating, and moderating various open forums, and I assure you we know what kind of people usually come and go, and what their motives, aspirations and ambitions usually are, and how to cater for each one as best we can.
Yet open doesn't mean wild, and having said that, your "it would be best that you keep quiet" sounds a bit out of tune for a newcomer, don't you think?
Now will you please also elaborate more on your "ulterior motives" and "your actions only speak volumes of your greed"? My poor English wouldn't allow me to see clearly who you might address these sentences to on this forum.
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As long as freedom of expression prevails, I think this forum will continue to work very well. Disagreements are eventually resolved, ulterior motives exposed, and errors corrected. Though our more sensitive members may be advised to come in with protective head-gear. :)
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You may be right. Even Aurel figured out how to behave on a peer forum.
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Even Aurel figured out how to behave on a peer forum.
I really don't get it why anyone here should be upset if any new member asking questions.
if you don't want to answer or you don't know the answer - just ignore question and that is... ;D
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If he annoys you, you can add him to your ignore list.
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Thanxx everyone for your support, please don't get offended if i ask some questions.
these might be simple questions to you, but they can be difficult for me.
i don't mean any harm to anyone. i'm just learning the ropes to become a programmer,
surely there must be some room for me to get above the water level and that you don't want to
see another human drown.
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Thanxx everyone for your support, please don't get offended if i ask some questions.
Can you combine your questions into a single post and stop flooding the forum with questions you are unwilling to research? You are causing members to lose interest O2 due to your child like babbling nonsense.
Sucking up to Charles for support will only buy a headstone.
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by John
Sucking up to Charles for support will only buy a headstone.
this is a very serious threat, my life is being threaten by you John
i'll file a Police and FBI report against you
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Goodbye!
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As with many other members, Chris has asked a number of questions, which have proven to be very helpful to me, in refining various aspects of O2. It is definitely a two-way street. That is why I would like him to continue his contributary enquiries in this forum.
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Bring Chrisc back and I'm gone alone with the resources I provide in support of the OxygenBasic project.
You are welcome to have Chris e-mail his support questions to you directly.
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Your support is much appreciated, John. But this forum needs to operate freely. We try not to impose constraints and then everybody gets to have their say. May I suggest a few hours cooling off period?
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If I were Charles, I would tell you where you can go with your resources.
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Let's see how long you can tolerate Chris's e-mails first before making any further comments on this case.
Chris violated the adult member registration requirements. His threats take it over the top.
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John,
Did he insult you personally in an e-mail or PM or what, apart from that ridiculous red alert in his comment?
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Chris violated the adult member registration requirements.
Oh, I see.
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Just for everybody's information: please see below how it is usually done on VB's open forums. This helps keep them clear of childish babble and attempts to have somebody write someone else's computer science homework.
Please also read this before commenting in this thread any further: How To Ask Questions The Smart Way (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html), at least its Before You Ask section.
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Recent questions from Chris triggered at least three important investigations, for me, leading to improved repeater macros, time utilities, and window termination procedures. So an apparently simple enquiry, if properly dealt with, can often yield benefits for all. It's not just about doing someone else's homework for them.
Incidentally, the 'red comment', Chris tells me, was not seriously intended. It was only a retort to the 'headstone' comment, given in the same vein.
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Do you want to teach school rather than work with BASIC developers? I'm not interested in that type of forum.
If Chris were mature enough, he would have comprehended the intent and analogy behind my comment. The scared little boy took it as a threat.
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BASIC was originally formulated as a student's language, and that remains true to this day. Any technically-oriented person, engineer or scientist, should be able to pick up the language and run with it. So it very important to hear from non-specialists. They help to shape the surface of the language.
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When you go to work you don't bring your kids with you, you send them to school.
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What if we add some sort of a Newbie Corner board to the forum? And then the newbies will be allowed to graduate after they pass an exam in that "hacker's guide to rationality" I pointed to? :D
But that will also presuppose that somebody will have to volunteer and supervise and cater for them... ::)
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I thought that's what the Retrogamecoding and Basicprogramming Forum (http://www.retrogamecoding.org/board/index.php) is for.
Fact is O2 has a limited window and opportunity to gain traction. Screwing around with fools like Chris is a waste of everyon's time.
Chris was given multiple warnings his actions where discouraged yet he ignored the warnings as he felt Dad (Charles) would protect him.
If Chris wants to learn O2, let him write the documentation for it.
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Then let me be the first to volunteer for supervising the newbies :) They will help me form the surface of the language, as much as the techno people help with bedding into the OS.
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How do you prevent them from disrupting the main focus of the project which is achieving a production stable BASIC compiler?
There is only one Charles Pegge. Let's maximize your time as a compiler developer and you can hand out the candy later.
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That is not a problem, John. Beginners questions are usually very easy to answer, or they raise significant issues which need to be dealt with. Apart from that, we are accumulating a substantial repertoire of examples to refer to.
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If Chris ignored Mike's direct and firm instructions to cease his child like practices and my death threat, what makes you think he will listen to you?
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From what I have seen so far, Chris is high-energy and a very fast learner who does not require many repeats. He has dived straight into 64bit programming and is among the first to do so on our forum.
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Why aren't you willing to interface with Chris via e-mail if he is so important to you? My efforts are going towards José Roca porting his includes and Chris Boss porting EZGUI to O2.
ChrisC's child like behavior is unacceptable even if he claims to be the next Albert Einstein.
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Chris represents many potential members here, so I think it is important that this is played out publicly and fairly. We can all learn from it, and Chris will learn how to avoid being savaged by the great beasts of the forum :)
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Chris represents many potential members here ...
No he doesn't. All of the members on this forum are adults and most highly respected. Start your compost pile further from the house.
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That is debatable, but children grow into adults and it is a wonderful transformation.
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We're both too old to play daddy.
Please take my suggestion and invite Chris to combine all his questions in an e-mail to you and you'll get to them over tea.
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I would like public participation in our discourse. One-to-one has very limited value, but you are not obliged to engage with it, John.
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We are discussing this when most of the world is still asleep. I have made my point very clear and welcome the input from the other members after they had their coffee.
The only thing missing from the attached image is Toto spinning on a spit over the coals. Oh, and with the caption of BITCH.
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On some consultation with my own dream council ((c)CEVP), I stand firm by my earlier proposition to create a specialized Newbie's Corner board with an embedded Self-Presentation child board as a means to meet and greet the newcomers.
Let Charles assume leadership over, and responsibility for, the kindergarten.
OxygenBasic is nowhere near being a "toy" language, and I don't expect that board to be overcrowded any time soon. I also believe it won't have a noticeable impact on the site bandwidth.
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José isn't going to do anything without good documentation. To build a framework is not a trivial task and can't be done without full knowledge of the language, and I don't want to suck Charle's time with hundreds of questions. All I need to work is a decent editor and good documentation.
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BTW if you pretend to attract PowerBasic users be prepared to answer chrisc-like questions, i.e. "what is the O2 equivalent to PB xxx?". The SDK programmers have left the PB forum time ago and are now using other languages. The remaining customers use DDT and most have very limited knowledge of the use of the Windows API. Do you really believe that they are going to use an alpha compiler that has not adequate tools and documentation? You're dreaming.
So far, you have got two DDT'ers. One is no longer visiting the forum and now you're kicking the second one. I'm afraid that all that you're going to get is what you have now: a compiler that will be used by two or three people to play with OpenGL.
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O2 is still quite fuzzy around the margins, so writing a definitive manual at this stage would be rather frustrating. On the other hand, if a feature is deemed helpful or desirable, especially for the development of frameworks, it will be created in short order.
Without monetary or contractual pressure, I believe we can take a long-term view and really advance the BASIC language.
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what you have now: a compiler that will be used by two or three people to play with OpenGL.
Hey Jose...don't forget
And I'm the fourth pig in the yard ;D :D ;D ;D ;D
but i'm not interested in openGL :P
or I have hidden motives :o
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what you have now: a compiler that will be used by two or three people to play with OpenGL.
Hey Jose...don't forget
And I'm the fourth pig in the yard ;D :D ;D ;D ;D
but i'm not interested in openGL :P
or I have hidden motives :o
Ok. Two or three people to play with OpenGL and another one with hidden motives.
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There are few BASIC users left. Everyone is now a BASIC developer.
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As long as there is at least one person using it, BASIC is alive.
The glass is half full rather than half empty.
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I know that writing documentation is a pain
Yes Jose ..you have a right about that .
BUT should be possible (for example) to decompile existing CHM
file with vahelp and modify things for oxygen basic.
There are lot of abandoned CHM.s about programming languages.
And again that also require lot of time... ::)
And to be clear...yes I AM USER .. in first place.
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@John
please accept my sincere apologies, as i thought your headstone threat is just a joke, so i
pull a joke on you about the police report ... and that got you so serious about it. So sorry
you have been pulling side remarks and jokes in the PB forum yourself and i thought you are always joking
except that the Drakes didn't find that your comments funny
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Charles,
I see you made your choice. I will no longer be participating in the O2 project.
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Sorry about the clash, John.
This forum works very well from my point of view, and I hope you will feel differently in due course.
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We pick our own poison.
Good luck with the project.
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Hi John,
Sometimes mistakes happen, but they do not always happen on purpose. To a degree, leniency should be possible.
Roland
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I have a golden rule I live by.
Never help those unwilling to help themselves.
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Hi all
It has a long time since i post here, but this topic interested me a lot.
because , i am involved in developing language , i got the point of Charles opinion , and in his side.
Sometimes , the beginner questions open new ideas of developing the language. other time it guide me to do the same thing in an other better way.
the second thing here is , why we don't ask ourselves that ,when we are an oxygen basic beginner and asked beginner questions in this forum does Charles and other forum members helped us or not, so now we are oxygen basic professional , why we complain the beginner questions.
the forum here for all the people .
that is my opinion.
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This forum is open to all adults. It isn't a perfect world and forum administrators need to maintain a sense of direction, structure and social behavior. Members must be valued as assets and losing any of them due immature members that ignore the rules is a tragedy.
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Emil,
Note well that the issue was not asking the beginner's questions, it was how to ask them properly so as not to annoy the forum's other members.
The general pattern is as follows:
1. Start with reading the article I pointed to earlier in this thread, from the beginning to the very end.
2. While not still understanding why you should do it, loop to item 1 above.
3. Repeat doing it every time you're about to ask a question until you memorize the article by heart.
4. Ask your question and get your answer.
Just as simple as that.
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If they are good questions. I wouldn't worry too much about etiquette. It's all part of the learning process. And with regard to 'Adults' only, I would also warmly welcome any young students who want to participate. One such person used to come round to borrow one of my PCs to play Sponge-Bob, and 10 years later, he is studying Theoretical Physics at Imperial College, one of the world's leading universities.
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Ok , John , Mike
may be you are wright , but we are in one world which has many deferent people with a deferent cultures ,also deferent level of knowing English language.
So if any new user did not obay the forum asking protocol , or how to ask , we can simple advice hem gently. then if he repeat it in the wrong way we can start ignore his questions and let the other Patient members to reply . it is so easy.
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Yes Charles,
I know you and I are fitting in nicely as a good cop and a bad cop, respectively. So I believe this forum is viable, law- and order-wise. :)
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Emil,
It is often not a difference in culture but an absence of culture that annoys the members the most. Coupled with the reluctance to learn lessons from one's social faults, it inevitably leads to total ignore and ban from the forum.
Beginners that have come to learn and are displaying progress in every possible way are always very much welcome and valued by the community here. Casual passers-by (script kiddies and general losers) aren't.
Starting one's forum carrier with cheating the forum's "parental control" system in an attempt to fool the adult audience was a very bad idea indeed.
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Mike said it best. O2 isn't a toy. This is an open source project, not fun and games at everyone's elses expense.
Charles,
I wonder if you think you're Willy Wonka?