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JRS

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Guidance
« on: July 18, 2018, 09:10:31 PM »
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There are very few developers here who would ever need 3rd party guidance or mentoring in any project they choose to join in or launch.

If developers like Eros, myself or others ask Charles questions about O2, should we be ashamed to refer to ourselves as developers?

Is it safer to present ourself as a newbie?

As you know, SB was written by Peter Verhas. He moved on to be a Java guru in 2005 when I picked up the effort and made an official open source project from it. I have been covering the hosting as I do for the O2 project and contribute as much as I have time for.

Open source projects are successful when they're more than a one person effort. There has been some great contributions made to SB over the years from AIR, Charles, Dave and yourself.

Script BASIC has gotten me through some bad times when I needed a distraction. It's been a good friend.

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JRS

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2018, 03:41:18 PM »
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And if he really thinks that they are useless, then why he is attempting to grab them?

Sorry JR,  I wasn't aware you only support dead BASIC languages with your includes. O2 is far from dead.

I didn't grab your includes. You posted a link to them here on the O2 forum. It wasn't until I asked if you could post your COM browsers as well did you do a 180 and started calling me an idiot.

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I have halted temporarily its developement waiting to see if the new owners come with a new version of the compiler or not.

That's a lie. You posted here on the O2 forum that you are no longer investing in the PowerBASIC compiler and moved on to the FreeBASIC compiler.

This is the main reason I lose my cool and  call you on your nonsense and bullshit.
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José Roca

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2018, 09:54:39 PM »
Say what you like. I'm tired of useless disputes. I'm not interested in your open source projects. If I ever write O2 code it will be freeware, not open source.
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JRS

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2018, 10:01:34 PM »
I agree with your useless remark.

The first obsatical you need to overcome is these open source BASIC projects aren't mine and I'm merely a contributor to the projects.
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José Roca

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2018, 10:50:32 PM »
Mike has already told you that O2 is not open source, but public domain.
See: http://www.oxygenbasic.org/forum/index.php?topic=1512.msg18757#msg18757
and it doesn't matter how many times you will use the open source words.

The only thing that you have done for O2 is to host this forum and this is a disadvantage to achieve popularity.
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José Roca

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2018, 11:08:54 PM »
Despite your obesesion with open source software

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First and foremost, Oxygen Basic is Charles's project and is open source with a MIT license.

Charles himself has clearly stated than "OxygenBasic is certainly in the public domain".
See: http://www.oxygenbasic.org/forum/index.php?topic=1035.msg8647#msg8647

The open source glasses that you use must be defective: where it says freeware and public domain you read open source.
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JRS

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2018, 11:16:58 PM »
Open source isn't about licences. (there are many variations) it's about how software gets written by a community effort.
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JRS

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2018, 11:23:34 PM »
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The only thing that you have done for O2 is to host this forum and this is a disadvantage to achieve popularity.

You have a bad habit of thinking you speak for more than yourself.
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JRS

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2018, 11:52:42 PM »
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"I feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up."

Communication isn't continually responding with statements of no interest and  feeling a need to keep confirming it.
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JRS

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2018, 06:54:58 PM »
I hope things have been resolved with JR and we can return to maturing O2.
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JRS

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2018, 09:57:01 AM »
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Hi James,

I've now removed my last mod from the source code.

The exes should work now.

Sorry about that! 

Great!

Now I won't feel ashamed as a developer asking Charles questions about O2.
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Kuron

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Re: Guidance
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2019, 04:26:39 PM »
Quote from: José Roca on July 19, 2018, 10:50:32 PM
Mike has already told you that O2 is not open source, but public domain.
See: http://www.oxygenbasic.org/forum/index.php?topic=1512.msg18757#msg18757
and it doesn't matter how many times you will use the open source words.

The only thing that you have done for O2 is to host this forum and this is a disadvantage to achieve popularity.
Necroposting I know, but this statement was never addressed properly and it is intentionally misleading and it needs to be corrected for any newcomers who may stumble on O2.

Public Domain is Open Source and it is the most permissive of Open Source licenses.  The CC0 license is what most people will slap on Public Domain projects.  CC0 is also approved by the FSF (not that their approval is needed to make anything legal or binding). 

The false idea that Public Domain could not be Open Source was started by people who argued that you could not legally relinquish the copyright on something.  Since 1960, it has been considered established law that you can abandon your Copyright.  (Hampton v. Paramount Pictures, 279 F.2d 100 (9th Cir. Cal. 1960). 

There should be no confusion in the 21st century.
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