Requests and support in the forum

[JRS]

I have a golden rule I live by.

Never help those unwilling to help themselves.

[Emil_halim]

Hi all

It has a long time since i post here, but this topic interested me a lot.

because , i am involved in developing language , i got the point of Charles opinion , and in his side.

Sometimes , the beginner questions open new ideas of developing the language. other time it guide me to do the same thing in an other better way.

the second thing here is , why we don't ask ourselves that ,when we are an oxygen basic beginner and asked beginner questions in this forum does Charles and other forum members helped us or not, so  now we are oxygen basic professional , why we complain  the beginner questions.

the forum here for all the people .

that is my opinion.

[JRS]

This forum is open to all adults. It isn't a perfect world and forum administrators need to maintain a sense of direction, structure and social behavior. Members must be valued as assets and losing any of them due immature members that ignore the rules is a tragedy.

[Mike Lobanovsky]

Emil,

Note well that the issue was not asking the beginner's questions, it was how to ask them properly so as not to annoy the forum's other members.

The general pattern is as follows:

1. Start with reading the article I pointed to earlier in this thread, from the beginning to the very end.
2. While not still understanding why you should do it, loop to item 1 above.
3. Repeat doing it every time you're about to ask a question until you memorize the article by heart.
4. Ask your question and get your answer.

Just as simple as that.

[Charles Pegge]

If they are good questions. I wouldn't worry too much about etiquette. It's all part of the learning process. And with regard to 'Adults' only, I would also warmly welcome any young students who want to participate. One such person used to come round to borrow one of my PCs to play Sponge-Bob, and 10 years later, he is studying Theoretical Physics at Imperial College, one of the world's leading universities.

[Emil_halim]

Ok , John , Mike

may be you are wright , but we are in one world which has many deferent people with a deferent cultures ,also deferent level of knowing English language.

So if any new user did not obay the forum asking protocol , or how to ask , we can simple advice hem gently. then if he repeat it in the wrong way we can start ignore his questions and let the other Patient members to reply . it is so easy.

[Mike Lobanovsky]

Yes Charles,

I know you and I are fitting in nicely as a good cop and a bad cop, respectively. So I believe this forum is viable, law- and order-wise.

[Mike Lobanovsky]

Emil,

It is often not a difference in culture but an absence of culture that annoys the members the most. Coupled with the reluctance to learn lessons from one's social faults, it inevitably leads to total ignore and ban from the forum.

Beginners that have come to learn and are displaying progress in every possible way are always very much welcome and valued by the community here. Casual passers-by (script kiddies and general losers) aren't.

Starting one's forum carrier with cheating the forum's "parental control" system in an attempt to fool the adult audience was a very bad idea indeed.

[JRS]

Mike said it best. O2 isn't a toy. This is an open source project, not fun and games at everyone's elses expense.

Charles,

I wonder if you think you're Willy Wonka?